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How to rti upsc- suggestion by students

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Here is from an online forum on how to rti petition the upsc if you are unhappy with your marks etc Go to the link to discuss with others if interested.

 

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RTI fight with UPSC
RTI points-

Queries are framed while keeping in mind UPSC’s RTI responses,which usually have these key-words to deny/resist info– " Cannot be disclosed". or " No such information exist" ,”it will require huge diversion of man-power,so we can not provide”,”Exempted from providing this information or UPSC has asked the GoI to exempt it from providing such information”,”hypothetical question”,"Court Decision is pending, so cannot reveal any information" etc.

UPSC might not give info in first try itself,so we have to try again but they have to give info under RTI otherwise its denial can be challenged.We have to persist.If in some questions rephrasing is required after analysing UPSC’s replies then we will try to do the same and retrieve info from UPSC.As we all know that UPSC is a closed organisation and to fight against it,we need PRIOR info n that can be provided by UPSC only.

 

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May 29th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

Representation to upsc on Arbitrariness in mains by Lokesh Jangid and others

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Msg by some Lokesh Jangid in an online forum (see below). Go to this link to get your case highlighted. It is common: upsc does these kinds of mistakes every year! God knows what is happening! Even the superme court could nt reform it!!!

Dear fellow aspirants,

Several discrepancies and cases of apparent arbitrariness have come to light in the recent past as far as score-sheets of Mains are concerned. For instance, Jain Nikhil Bharat (Roll No. 238529) scored 321 in Public Administration optional in CSE, 2010; In CSE,2011, marks of which were recently disclosed by UPSC, Nikhil (Roll No. 411033) has got mere 109, with a score of 24 in paper two! How can somebody who had scored around 55% last time get a mere 24 out of 300 in the same subject!

After having deliberated on this issue with my friends, fellow aspirants and experts, some of whom who have had some sort of experience of being associated with UPSC at some point of time, I’ve arrived at a Plan of Action (POA) to move forward on this issue. I think we should draft a representation, addressed to Secretary, UPSC (Copy of which may also be forwarded to Chairman, UPSC) which should include factual details of such cases, where arbitrariness is stark and extremely evident. This will serve the purpose of bringing the matter to the kind notice of Secretary, UPSC who might then adopt a suitable course of action for redressal of ourgenuine grievances or at least devise mechanisms in evaluation process to ensure that such things are not repeated in times to come.

For this, I seek the co-operation and support of you all. Those who have been victims of such arbitrariness, or if they have friends/acquaintances or know anybody who has faced such situations, I would humbly request them to come forward and mail me their details (Name, Roll No., Year of CSE, Marks awarded paper-wise) at lokesh.jangid @  gmail.com AT THE EARLIEST. I’ll then compile all the cases in a single document and draft a representation to Secretary, UPSC, copy of which I’ll upload here, for approval of you all, before formally sending it to UPSC. I’ll particularly request Jain Nikhil, Ashish Pahadiya, Rajesh Chandra, Abhishek Tharwal, Manish Parashar, Harish, Gitanjali Brandon, Vinayak Hiremath, Divya Mittal to mail me their details. I mentioned these names, as am aware that theirs are very evident cases of discrepancies. There might be tens of others who have been through same episodes, but whom I may not personally know of. I request all such people to come forward too and get in touch with me…

We might settle for two broad criteria for deciding on arbitrariness and including the cases in representation. One could be the discrepancy in marks secured in different attempts in the same subject (like in the aforementioned case of Nikhil). The other could bethe discrepancy among different subjects in the same attempt. Like, Manish Parashar, who has secured whopping 366 in History,110 in Essay, and 143 in Geography paper one, in CSE, 2011, has got a meager 65 in paper two of Geography after attempting 300 marks. We should confine this representation only to those cases that pertain to Mains score-sheets. Since Interview is a more subjective domain vis-a-vis Mains, we will not include that aspect, for now.

It should be noted that this representation is NOT a substitute to RTI course of action, which several people are apparently involved into. Though both are aimed at greater transparency, the two are separate processes, which can go on CONCURRENTLY, without affecting the outcome of each other.

I look forward to the kind support and co-operation of you all, without which this exercise won’t reach it’s logical conclusion. Let’s not go with any prejudices about how the system works, or what will be the impact or the time-frame in which it will be felt… Let’s do our bit properly with utmost meticulousness and optimism and hope for things to change for a better cause. We have nothing to loose! 🙂

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My message to Member, UPSC (By Lokesh Jangid)

Through Facebook, I’ve expressed my disillusionment with lack of transparency in UPSC and have tagged Prof. Purushottam Agarwal in the same post (since he’s there in my friend list ). I’d reproduce my fb post: 

“In the Civil Services Exam, 2010, conducted by UPSC, Jain Nikhil Bharat (Roll No. 238529) scored 321 in Public Administration optional; In CSE, 2011, marks of which were recently disclosed by UPSC, Nikhil (Roll No. 411033) has got mere 109, with a score of 24 in paper two! How can somebody who had scored around 55% last time get a bloody 24 out of 300 in the same subject, despite having attempted ALL the questions satisfactorily!! It is significant to note that THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED CASE of arbitrariness; there are hundreds of such cases, tens of which I personally know of! In the past couple of exams, many got score of less than 50 in a Psychology paper while they had over 270 in other optional! Like, Ashish Pahadiya was given 24 in paper two of Psychology in CSE, 2010. A look at few other incidents in this year’s results:
– Rajesh Chandra had consistently secured 320+ marks in Public Administration in his first two attempts; this time, during his third attempt, he was awarded a score of 61 in paper two in same subject (his total being mere 184)!

– Abhishek Tharwal, who cleared CSE in his very first attempt in 2010 and got allotted to IRTS, has got 68 in Political Science paper two this year! Have a look at his scores in other papers in CSE, 2011- GS: 230; Essay: 104; History: 290; Personality Test: 189

– Manish Parashar, who has secured whopping 366 in History, 110 in Essay and 174 in Interview, has got a meager 65 in paper two of Geography after attempting 300 marks. Interestingly, in paper one of the same subject in same exam, he has got 143 through an attempt of 250 marks (He didn’t get a 30-marker question and 4 map entries worth 20 marks)

– Harish, who has 320 in Public Administration and 150 in paper one of Geography has been given 58 in paper two!

The list can go on and on, but there are space constraints here… And, we are not even talking about Interview scores here wherein a candidate got 75 in one year and 195 in next; or 190 in one year and 90 in next, that too in the same board! UPSC says it’s a PERSONALITY TEST and not a Q/A session; One would want to ask does the ‘Personality’ of candidate change so drastically in the span of one year?! Not to speak of Prelim scores where UPSC doesn’t even disclose either the cut-off or marks obtained by candidate despite directives by CIC and Honourable Supreme Court to do so, giving flimsy pretext that coaching institutes would use this information to their advantage!

As somebody who had himself appeared for this exam and seen this process from close quarters, and as a citizen of this country, I’m IN DEEP ANGUISH over such sorry-state-of-affairs in UPSC! This is not what the Constitution-makers expected from UPSC while conferring on it Constitutional status… This is not the way to recruit people for the most important positions in the governance of this country! And, recruitment is the most important aspect of Personnel administration! If quality of HR inputs that we feed to the system is not good, public service delivery will be severely hampered. I would invite a discussion and healthy discourse on this issue in public domain, beginnings of which could be made here on Facebook.

I’d also request Purushottam Agrawal, Hon’ble Member, UPSC, to look into the matter with utmost urgency and see how can we make UPSC more transparent in the larger public interest of governance and this country at large.”

Other messages in that forum:
This is a noble idea to fight for bringing transparency in functioning
of a constitutional body………….but it is important to note that
sample space of aspirants is so rich that whatever be the system there
will always be academically good students getting through and at the
same time some deserving will be left out (Just for example more than
1000 serious IIT aspirants cannot all get through in any
case…..sorry for this IITian example)……………….

the way I see it, important point to fight is for change in pattern of
examination which causes waste of precious human resource for
three to four years…….

whoever enters the system they have to work in the existing system which
has its own constraints (minister-civil servant relationships etc…..)
and final output of bureaucracy cannot be ensured just by bringing
transparency in selection process……….

So my point is

1. Rationalise selection process to minimize human resource wastage

2. Fight for implementation of administrative reforms (those who are outside as well as those who have entered the system)

AIR 8, NDA & NA 2005

AIR 15, SCRA 2005

AIR 3431, IIT JEE 2005

IIM L, I, K, CAT 2011

Rejected by Civil Services in 2009,2010  & 2011
Presently working as Prime Minister’s Rural Development Fellow

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May 29th, 2012 at 8:58 pm