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Nirbhay Sharma Interview Board experience

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Interview experience posted by Jyotana on 18 April 2011 (see link)

Joyanta
Nirbhay Sharma Sir’s board

Interview experience in Lt.Gen Sir Nirbhay Sharma’s Board

My interview was today on 15th April in the forenoon session.I was the

third candidate to be interviewed.There were two ladies from UP(4th)

and Vizag(2nd).There were three other gentlemen from TN(1st) and UP.At

11.05 hrs,I was called to enter the board.Before that the gentleman

who was calling the names asked me to wait for 10 mins .I was a bit

nervous but ultimately it was cool and I made up my mind to enter the

board confidently.I saluted Thakur,Ma and Swamiji and went in.There

was one lady member other than 4 gentlemen including Chairman Sir.

Me: Good morning sir.Good morning Mam and Good morning to u all

sirs.(with bowing).

CH offered me sit and I told Thank you and sat comfortably and was

looking at other members who were gazing at my biodata.

CH:What is your name?

Me: Sir my name is Joyanta Chakraborty

CH: Humm u are a technocrat and done B.E(Elect) and M.Tech…..

Me: Sir I did not complete my M.Tech.

CH: Why didn’t u complete/what is the reason?

Me: Sir my family was undergoing a financial crunch and my parents

wanted to take up some job.My mother underwent a surgery and they

thought I shall take up a job and it will give them mental

satisfaction.I too thought of supporting my family rather than

pursuing higher degree sir.

CH: Ok.Then you are in Railways,where?

Me: Sir I am Senior Electrical Engineer/Design in CLW

CH:Through which service?when?

Me:Sir Indian Engineering Services 2005 batch

CH: So u entered last year?

Me: No sir,I have entered the services in 2006 and right now am in job in CLW

CH:So in Railways u will be having good saloon cars and bunglaows.

Me: Sir now I am not entitled for that .DRMs ,GMs and Members of Board

are entitled.

CH: When will u become DRM?

Me: Sir normally it takes 25 years down the line in present scenario

to become DRM but there are attributes like performance,ACR,age for

that.

CH: Don’t u think that these saloons and big bunglaows should be

provided in the initial years as in th

these cannot be used as a means of entertainment as u will be very busy?

Me:Yes sir these are lot of benefits available to railways officers and these are tantalising at young age and many of us are desirious of that but we have to see that these are not luxurious to them at that age as those are necessities and are required as to shorten their travel time for busier activities and now these will be mere show-offs and are not required at all.

CH: Don’t u think that GMs have big bungalows and big cars and those are not necessary?We can think of some still less ostentatious arrangements?

Me:Sir it is anice idea and I am one with you Sir.The senior officers in Railways will be having very small families,there children will be away from them and they will be very busy.We can think of some furnished flats type of accomodation in cities or HQs and we can utilise the unused lands to create houses for the poor where many of tem don’t have roofs over their head and we can serve a socio-economic cause.

CH: What is your idea of privatisation of Indian Railways?Why shouldn’t we privatise?

Me: Sir Railways is used by the general masses and the high classes alos but for the masses ,privatisation will rob their only means of transport.Again it is used to transport raw materials and food,fertiliser which are all realted to the common people’s livelihood. In Railways we have to take some social projects which are economically unviable but socially feasible and privatisation will stop it.

CH:No we can do the privatisation to earn more money”

Me:Sir money earning is a motive for a commercial organisation like Railways but we should have some social commitment.Lots of people are employed as it being the largest PSU employer.

CH:No we can think of privatising some parts like Chenia-kolkata,Delhi routes…..

Me: Sir we are thinking of DFC and PP models.And also about multimodal transportation and linkage of Railways with Golden Quadrilateral and ports through eco-cities.This will earn revenue for us but these are on PPP model

CH: No I am talking of complete privatisation as it….

Me: yes Sir it may lead to efficiency enhancement,more productivity and more revenues for Railways but the common man’s interest will be at stake and it may lead to inflation and unemployment.

CH: But what about some special routes?

Me: Sir with PPP model we can entrust the arrangement of infrastructure with the private parties with operation in our control with a profit sharing but still some routes have to be kept keeping into mind the general passengers.

CH: OK(may be not very convinced).Gives batton to the first member.

M1: So can we have some model so that we have GMT+6:30 for North eastern and the rest unchanged?

Me: Yes we can do that and it will have many advantages as this is done in other developed countries.

M1:What advantages are you talking of?Can u define it?

Me: yes Sir by doing that we can reschedule the demand of power in these two regions as we don’t have surplus adequate power in NER.It will help industrialisation and office working smoother.

M1:How?

Me: Sir somewhere the job schedule will be starting and somewhere it will be ending. The demand will be reshuffled and we can wheel power from surplus to deficit region.

M1: which time it will be of great use?Me: Sir daytime or office time between 10 am to 6 pm.

M1: which loads?

Me: Sir industrial and commercial loads.

M1: How will it be done?what is that will be affected?

Me:Sir the total demand can be made even as per the schedule and …

M1: No is there a term cal peak……?

Me:Yes sir,(smilingly),the entire peak demand will not be raised together and with the limited installed generation capacity we can utilise it efficiently.

M1:Ok.So how will u wheel power from west to east or say NE?

Me: sir through HVDC i.e High Voltage Double Circuit.

M1: Why?

Me: Sir we have read in electrical engineering that above 800 kms HVDC is technically and economically feasible and will serve the purpose.

M1:Ok.so how much space is required for that?Any idea?

Me: Sir very narrow but long length space as the return path is through ground.So it will not require much space but the distance it will cover will be large.

M1: Do u know some separatist movement is going on in the northern part of West bengal and north east to where u want to wheel power from western side.So can u name them?

Me: yes Sir.It is Gorkhaland movement in the north bengal for demands of separate gorkha land for the nepalis,sherpas and bhutiyas.

M1:no no .it is close to Assam region

Me: Sir Bodoland.

M1: No ,it is north of west bengal and close to Assam

Me: Oh Sir it is KLO i.e Kamtapuri Liberation Organisation and Greater Koochbihar Movement.

M1: So who are spearheading?

Me:Sir I am not sure but if u allow me to guess…..

M1:Yahh.carry on.

Me:It is Kamtapuris and Koochbiharis(actually I should have said Rajbanshis)

M1:what is ur take on small state vs big state:what is ur opinion?there are more talks and more violent protest going on

Me:Sir there cannot be a direct yes or no answer to these demsnda.But we have to keep into mind administrative efficiency,economic and financial viability and genuine people’s aspirations to be addressed by the government and should be dealt with in case to case basis.

M1: Ok

Ch moves batton to Lady member(M2)

M2: Ok what is the present relations with Bangladesh with India?

Me:Mam after Awami league came to power under Seikh Hasina ,the relationship is better as they are pro-Indian.But there are some outstanding issue……..

M2:What are the issritants?what issues are there between us?

Me:For India it is undemarcated boundaries,water sharing issues and dams like Ganges,Teesta and Tipaimukh,illegal infiltration,human traficcking etc.From Bangladesh it is trade deficit.Also natural gas.(stops here)

M2:What is this Tipaimukh issue?where is it?

Me: Mam India is planning to build a dam on Barak river and Bangladesh is saying that it will affect their agriculture on the downstream.Mam I am not exactly sure of the location but if u allow me to guess I can try it.

M2:Ok try it out,speak out

Me:Mam it is I think in the borders of Manipur annd Mizoram on Barak river.

M2: so what is the Ganga water sharing issue?

Me:Mam I am exactly not sure but if u allow me to say..

M2: Ok tell me

Me: Ma when i was working as an executive engineer in Farakka in NTPC I came to know that in 1996 there eas an agreement between Seikh Hasina and India Govt to share a certain volume of water to Bangladesh in april and certain volume of water to India during summers

M2: Where is Farakka?what is so famous for?

Me: Mam it is in murshidabad and it is famous for linking north and south bengal through a bridge on river Ganges that flows as Hooghly to South Bengal from Dhulian.mam it has an economic importance of linking the two sides of bengal and the only link.It also connects NER to the rest of India through bengal.Hilsa fish is available in the waters and a tradeable item between us and Bangladesh.There is 1600 MW NTPC power plant superthermal and a hydel plant was planned but I don’t know whether it has been made now.

M2:so why was this dam built?Any idea?

Me: Mam I am not sure of this

M2:Ok try I shall help u

Me:(thinking)

M1 tells me about whether for flood control or something….

Me:(smilingly) Yes Sir I think for flood control and desiltation……

M2: Actually it was to save the kolkata port to increase navigability(She confirms me to some extent)

Me: Thank you mam.

Ch moves baton to M3.I think he was from South India by his content of questions and accent.

M3:so from Jadhavpur to erode..A long distance and u had stayed for 4 years..

Me:Sir I was first posted in erode under Saelam division in Southern Railways.I stayed there for 6 months only.

M3:so u have travelled form howrah to erode many times I assume.

Me: yes Sir 3-4 times.

M3:so how did u feel a s a passenger as general public not as an officer?

Me: sir yes sir.the cleanliness was an issue.The toilets and coaches are not that much clean as it should be.Sometimes the catering services are poor.The food is not tasty and nutritous and people have complaints about the food and linens which are dirty.There is an issue of punctuality and trains become late sometimes.The availability of berth is problem even if we have so many trains

M3: yes still peeple are not getting enough seats….(convinced)

Me:yes sir.Still according to the passengers ,there is dearth of trains and the routes are supersaturated.

M3:Humm.So as airports do,we can give passes to the passengers when they are boarding.This system of card tickets in papers is very olr process and does not work well.

Me: sir we can think of such measures .we can thin k of hand held ticket vending machines which we introduced in Central Railway s for suburban services where u are given tickets thru GPS based system once u board.But there are practical difficulties in long distance trains as we have infrastructure and technological bottleneck as as many passengers would like to concurrently go to the same place,an unplanned on the spot booking may deprive many genuine passengers as there are dearth of trains in the same route compared to passengers.(convinced)

M3: So u know about something of Erode district where some separate statehood demand was going on?

(I did not know about separate statehood but separatate municipal corporation)

Me:sir I am not aware of this incident.May be I have not followed it that time.

M3:So in bengal the congress is not powerful now.When did they become to degrade?

Me: sir I think they were in power till 1977 after that and to be precise after 1982 probably

M3: so what is ur opinion about there coming back or reviving?

Me: sir sorry sir,I don’t have any idea ,I don’t know sir.

CH:Ok u need not answer that question, don’t answer it now.I shall again ask u some questions later as my questions are not finished.Moves to M4.

M4: so u are now in CLW.What are they doing about technology import?Whne did and from where we imported initially?

Me: Sir we are importing technology for locomotives,coaches and traction motors.Initually in 1950s we imported from UK and now in 1996 we imported from Sweden and Switzerland from M/s ABB 3 phase loco technology and in 2003 from LHB/Germany for coaches

M3: So why are we not importing now?

Me:Sir it is costly and a drain on exchequer and dependence on foreign technology and obsolescence can hit us

M3: so whether are we doing some new technology?

CH also told yes we are now capable enough here in India,don’t we?

Me: yes sir we also at CLW and RDSO as well other PUs like RCF,ICF are doing work on new technologies.I talked on Loco trol,remote coupling,described,Vigilance control device in which I am involved,Vehicle control electronics,MU coupling of locos,Microporocessor control system modification,AC fitting in locos and some other technologies like TPWS and ATWS.

M3:So what bare we doing for coaches like Shatabdi rajdhani rakes?

Me: sir we have imported the design of lighter crushproof anti telescopic design of LHB coaches.they have better riding index and payload to tare ratio is more

M3:are we doing something here?

Me:sir we are modifying and upgrading it continuously.We are trying to make it with composite material with lesser weight and more with aluminium.It is of green toilets and zero

In wagons too we are also trying.RCF and ICF may be doing more and I don’t know more about that.

M3: so any time frame

Me:Sir I don’t know about that as RCF and ICF may be doing it so I canot say anything about that.

Then there was talks of import substitution,formation of new sources,new developments etc.

Next CH took the baton himself

CH: So you are going to be the in charge of administration of some district.You will be involved in some socio economic developmental projects.There are so many social problems.say for westBengal ,the health is a crisis.Is not it?

Me:yes sir,it is a serious problem area and we need to do a lot.

CH:yes .so what are the programmes?

me;Sir NRHM i.e National Rural health Mission.This scheme has to be run successfully and properly implemented.

CH:So the scheme is not running well.There are many problems.What do you think will be done to address that?

Me:Sir I have to first see whether the provisions of the scheme are there ,means infra,doctors,medicines,Health centers and then its monitoring……(stopped)

CH:No those things are not implemented and then say in point form what will you do,say I say Doctors not in..

Me Time,not punctual,involved in private practice,not very sensitive and sincere about delivery of health care to the poor

CH: yes then medicines

Me: yes they may be of poor quality,medicines for snake bites,maleria which are common in West bengal not available in plenty.health care centers are far away,transportation is a problem,good operation theatres,labour wards,diagnostic centers are not there

CH:So what should be done when u have identified the problems

MeSir initially I should see whether the doctors are doing there duty and I will personally monitor that whether they are there as they are supposed to be,attending patients,any scarcity in doctors has to be filled in,then regarding medicines the quality should be checked thru expiry dates and independent organisations and quality of docs…

CH:No the docs may not listen to u ,they will tell they want to pursue higher degree and so

Me:Sir I have to convince them and tell rightaway that they have come by their professional choice and as part of there MBBS cours eor by job and they have to serve the people,regarding further studies that they have to do parallely,and I can arrange for good journals or infra

CH: but they will say their career prospects are getting disturbed.

Me: Sir I have to say that they are dutibound to serve in the rural centers and that is a priority of the government for which they are recruited and being paid and as they are in the job it is a noble cause for which they are here

Ch:But your cousin who may be in those doctors that he wants to pursue higher studies and can’t give so much time

Me:Sir whether he or she is my cousin or not ,irrespective of any relation with him,I have to tell him or them rules are same for all and serving the people is a noble cause and being a doctor apart form pursuing higher studies it is their duty so long a sthey are in the service to treat the patients in rural areas as they don’t have others to be looked after

CH:but your cousin may say that some Chakraborty,mukherjee or ganguly have got degree certificates and I too need them and may be they have got them fake

Me: Sir I have to first check and investigate the allegation but not believe in the face of it.And if really found so,I have to take strict actions like sacking them who have come through such certificates

CH:No they will say their certificates are fair

Me:Sir I have to check it out and if found after verification they are achieved thru unfair means ,I have to be rule-bound and retain quality doctors only and take stern measures agaist them who have fake certificates and who are delinquent in duties

CH:so u said that Railways need not be privatised,It is ok but there are some crucical reasons for that.tell me the most important one

Me:Sir I think Railways are the lifeline of nation.The connect remotest parts of country and

carry raw materials,finished goods,food and fertliser which are of most concern to the lives and livelihoods of the common ma,(I should have told strategic word here).There are some areas where we have to take up railways projects which are commercially unviable but socially feasible and a social commitment aspect is there.Besides it is under union list as a means of communications which is of prior necessity.

Ch:But there are some other reasons too.Anyways.Thank u and your interview is over.

Me: Thanks u Sir.Thank u madam and to all of you sirs.

I left the board with a feeling that I could answer many but also could not answer all.It went for around 35 mins.I am not sure how he will assess me and hope God’s grace is with me.Best of luck to all fellow candidates too.

See image of discussion on this link and follow the link given above for a discussion on this nice interview .

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April 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 am

Smt. Rajni Razdan Interview board experience in UPSC civils personality test

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This interview experience has been shared by a guy named Varun on 20 April 2011 (see image and link below):

11:05 to 11:45; 40 mins interview

1) Is Anna Hazare’s demand implementable?
2) What are the problems you foresee if Anna Hazare’s requests are agreed by the govt?
3) The image of the police is nefarious in the society. As a police officer how will you try to change it?
4) Tell us the rank hierarchy of Indian Army
5) Who is the Japanese film director who is world renowned for his style? Name two movies which he directed.
6) What is judicial activism? Is it justified? Quote two examples of JA.
7) You completed your dentistry. Then you became an Assistant Commandant in CRPF. Now you want IPS. Why is your career plan so confused?
8) Is there a need for police reforms? If so tell the reforms.
9) Situation Reaction Test: You are an officer in Railway Protection Force. One poor man does not have travel ticket. One University Professor who has bought a ticket has lost it. How will you handle both of them?
10) Based on a survey mapping, it is found that the number of SCs are very less in areas where STs are concentrated. Why is it so?
11) What is Phishing?
12) If you become an IPS officer, which is the organisation that you aspire to join; is it BSF, CBI, State Service…….? I proudly answered Intelligence Bureau and the interview came to a close.
Few other questions I can’t recollect.

Varun

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orkut - 11-05 to 11-45; 40 mins interview_1303401925757

An interesting IFoS interview

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A candidate who appeared (and later cleared) the IFoS interview (identifies himself as thunder bolt on Orkut); board of Sh P K Mishra at the UPSC. He didn’t get good marks though (same PK Mishra had given him 135 in the UPSC Civil services marks last year, he says).

Thunder BOlt
my IFos interview

just giving people some idea about how my interview was conducted this time
background: civil engineer from iit kanpur
optionals: maths and physics
board: P.K. Mishra
I entered and sat down after wishing everyone. all board members were male.
C- chairman, M- members of board
C-good afternoon. please have a seat
I: thank u sir
C-suppose u r madly in love with a girl and parents deadly opposed due to caste or religion. what will u do
I: fucking bouncer first question. I said sir i will try to convince my parents that these are orthodox things and do not matter anymore.
C(interrupting): no they are deadly opposed-do not want to listen
I: i will run away and marry
C: u will leave ur parents?
I: sir u said i was madly in love
C: suppose ur only in love
I: sir then i will give consideration to my family first
C: and will play with girl’s feelings?
I: sir if i marry then i will play with my parents feelings
C: are u married?
I: no sir
C: u IIT-why IFS-want to wonder into wilderness?
I: Sir challenging job-ensure development and protect environment
C: but civil engineering is also challenging
I: yes but in a very narrow perspective
C: what other reasons?
I: career prospects
C: and
I: recognition
C: and
I: (he is bastard-keeps on going like this until u have no more) nothing else sir
C: u r interested in sports-who is sports minister of india?
I: i dont know sir
C: where were asian games held
I: Beijing
All board gave a look of disapproval.
I remembered and said Guangzhou.
C: what will u do for anger management? (related to my name which means patience)
I: sir deep breathly when angry

C: and
I: practise yoga
C: and
I: sir concentrate mind on positive thoughts ( C gave a disapproving look)
C: and
I: i dont know anything else sir
C: what are antaragni and megabucks?
I: sir festivals of iit kanpur
C: so what did u do as coordinator in them (i mentioned it )
I: sir gather sponsors, prepare budget for various events, organize various events ets
C: so what was budget
I: 70 lakhs
everyone surprised and shocked
C: so who u called as chief guest
I: sir our director is chief guest
C: but u must have called some bollywood person with this budget
I: sir Atif Aslam
passes on to M1
M1: what is POSCO and controversy – i explain in detail
M1: so how will u ensure development and protection
I: sir i will make sure proper EIA is carried out and all economic and environmental costs are wighed and then a proper decision is made
M1: how will u design earthquake resistant buildings?
I: sir will study soil type and ensure proper foundation
C: and
I: sir i dont know. we were not taught this.
M1: what is green building
I: deisgned to reduce impact on environment
C: how willl u design one
I: told something not to their satisfaction
M2: so u earlier mentioned u will run away and marry. u know what happens to people who do this in haryana
I: yes sir, honour killings and all-extreme step
M2: so what will u do
I: couldnt think anything – sir i dont belong to khap area
M2: who is CM of haryana ? I tell
M2: do u know anything about forestry?
I: little bit
M2: name five species of trees in haryana
I: Sal
M2(interrupting): tell scientific name
I: Sir I dont know
C: he has maths and physics – cannot be expected to know. I thanked god. passes on to M3.

 

M3: so how do new countries emerge
I: sir separatist movements-claim independence
M3: what is happening in egypt?
I explain the controversy
M3: serbia and croatia has emerged from which countries? Aus open winner is from serbia
I: sir USSR
M3: no
I: dont know sir
M3: where are they located on maps
I: sir serbia near russia and croatia in balkans. ( i was wrong-everybody gave a disapproving look). in my defense i am poor in Geography
passes on to M4:
M4: so why IFS after iit-govt spends a lot of money on iitians ? – fucking dickhead i already replied to this.
I: sir we didnt know what iit was. everyone was preparing so we also started. rat race. then later realized that interest lies elsewhere
Chairman and board impressed with honesty. i smiled.
C: what is reliability?
I: tried to say something sensible but couldnt tell.
C: u civil engineer? when is building reliable
I: said something- C not satisfied
C: when something conforms to certain standards for given period of time
I: thank u sir
C: what are series and parallel reliability?
I: when i dont kn ow reliability-how could i know this. I make a guess. When object confirms to a series of standards – its series…. C laughing-dont make guesses.
I: ok sir
C: interview is over.
I went. So happy that didnt read push sign on door. tried pulling it until he directed from behind to push it. I felt like an idiot and left 🙁
Please point out my mistakes.I dont expect much. P.K. mishra in civils gave me 135 last year . not expecting any better. All the best to u all:)

You can follow the link to see the debate on the love marriage. One comment on the issue says:

भाग के शादी कर लेनी चाहिए,और उसके बाद माता पिता को मना लेना चाहिए,वो भी हमसे उतना ही प्रेम करते हैं और मान जायेंगे,अगर घरवालों के दवाब में आके ऐसे ही काम करते रहे तो कल को कहेंगे बेटा हमें सिर्फ बेटा चाहिए,बेटी हो तो उससे अनाथाश्रम को दे देना,क्या तब भी मानोगे?बात वही मानो जो सही हो.जाति के बाहर शादी करना एक समाज सेवा है.ऐसे लोगों को सम्मानित किया जाना चाहिए

see image below (the 2nd image has the IITians profile page):

 

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orkut - Thunder BOlt's profile_1303401416380

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April 21st, 2011 at 9:29 pm

IFoS interview marks in Rajni Razdan board

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If you want to know the marks scored by a candidate in the Indian Forest service (IFoS) interviews this year you can see the following data put online by a candidate who was interviewed by this board:

Himanshu

Indian Forest Services Examination 2010
Subject Maximum
Marks Marks
Obtained
MATHEMATICS PAPER I 200 120
MATHEMATICS PAPER II 200 165
PHYSICS PAPER I 200 069
PHYSICS PAPER II 200 075
GENERAL ENGLISH 300 126
GENERAL KNOWLEDGE 300 108
Written Total 1400 663
Interview Marks 300 186
Final Total 1700 849
Hi mera rajni razdan board ne interview liya tha… it lasted for 12 minutes… i did not answer the facts that were asked from my hobby n home state….board members were very supportive throughout the interview… it was my first attempt..my rank is 46 n i believe i am the last general to get selected….

Himanshu futher says “satisfied with physics, general studies, maths paper 2 and obviously interview… m not satisfied with english, maths paper 1…. don’t know what will happen in ias…. my second optional thr is pali… but m worried now for mathematics coz paper 1 has disappointd me…”

See link for discussion where it has been posted and the following image:

orkut - interview marks for IFoS student in Razdan Board_1303400306318

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April 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm

UPSC interview experience with Sh. Vijay Singh’s board

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A UPSC aspirant named Praveen has posted his interview experience with the board of Sh. Vijay Singh. This will be useful for anyone looking for UPSC Civils preparation for interviews. The following interview is of a guy named Praveen who has narrated his experience.

Bit late in the day but here goes story from my side of encounter with Mr. Cool. First a little bit bout me. Over 5 years of work ex (MTNL+MoD+FINO). BE+MBA(MDI,Gurgaon). It was 25 march forenoon session.
After taking my seat CM fired first salvo though a begnin one
CM: What is FINO
ME: it stands for Financial inclusion network and operations. It is a pvt firm based in mumbai
cm: what is financial inclusion
me: it is bout providing banking services like savings and credit facilities to underserved or not served. so it is bout taking unserved or under served into financial services fold.
cm: what is ur role
me: I have set up company operations in Puri orissa and am responsible for entire operations there. I am working with a team of over 150 operators and technical staff. these ppl go village to village providing atm like smart cards based on biometric tech to villagers. I am responsible for overall operations there and try to maximize no. of enrollments in the day.
cm: what other companies are there in rural mkt
me: sir in FMCG HUL has revolutionazied the rural mkt
CM(Latching on the answer): what is has done
me: with its strategy to sell sachets in rural mkt it has penetrated it quite deep
cm(Nodding his head): yes yes, we are hearing bout it for long, what else
me: apart from this it has created SHGs for women in rural areas under its CSR activities and created lot of employment
cm: ok, would u like to go in HUL if given a chance
me: sir it depends upon type of opportunity coming my way. if scope is good and there is chance to increase my knowledge and apply my current strengths i will definately go.
cm:ok
Baton passed over to nect member

 

m1: r u ppl also in micro finance field
me: we r basically a technology platform company providing our services to banks like ICICI, HDFC, AXIS etc these banks are given mandate by govt. for financial inclusion which they carry out with our help. So Micro finance is not out main business line but yes it is one of the off shoot though a small one.
m1 (Nodding): ok, still u ppl disburse some loans
me: yes
m1: what is the rate is it 0% or 5% or higher
(I thought this one was like a carrot. He not only asked question but gave me options too which were way off the mark. If i had taken the bait it was THE END)
me: no it is not 0 or 5% it is around 22%
m1: do u not think it is too high
me: it looks like but there are two factors here: 1. loans we disburse are very low generally around 10k or at max 30k…… 2. frequency of repayment whicvh is generally weekly or fornightly. when these two factors combine absolute amount they are paying per installlment is very low. hence customers are more then happy to take loans
m1: how do u insure they pay back
me: our micro finance scheme is based on SHG model as propagated by Muhammad yunus of grameen bank(Most of the members were nodding)..here it is not the individual capacity to pay back but rahter capacity of group to pay back. If one member falters then others come to its rescue.
m1: how u gauge pay back capacity of customers
me: it depends upon their interest in what r they doing, their physical and vocational capability to do it and market condition for the product they are manufacturing. We look into all these things while giving loans.
m1: Do u know how many SHGs are working in india
me: I am sorry sir i m not aware bout that (this i said with ear to ear grin on my face as though i was delighted in not knowing it)……..Thank god he smiled back

 

it was turn of lady member
lm: so u were overall coordinator of engg college fest
me: yes
lm: what exactly was ur role
me: i with the help of team decided what kind of events would be there, who will conduct what, timings, prizes etc
lm: ok, so what was ur stress in designing these events
me: we tried to make these events relevant to future professional career of all involved. We tried to get events such that new ideas can be generated and can be implemented.
lm: ne particular model u liked there
me: as far as i can remember there was a model based on radio frequencies in which one of our professors was also involved. I like it very much. It was mainly to uplod and download signals from satellite. It had great practical utility. But i DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED to the model afterwards
lm: ok
that was the end of her. such a sweet lady. not a single one to bother or stress my mind. Or she thought "U stupid………ur level is this much only"
baton was now in hands of 2nd lady member

 

lm2: what is difference between leader and manager
thank god at least one from my optional
me: manager is more a technical concept. it isa bout managing resources both man and material. there are certain techniques involved and jargon as well. while a leader is more a humane concept(I looked at mr. cool…..bending on arm’s rest with one hand on mouth he was epitome of attention) Leader tries not only to manage situation but he goes beyond it. He tries to affect the group and motivate it so that they can gear up for the job at hand. hence leader as a concept has much wider connotation.
lm2: name one person for two categories
gandhi was one the greatest leader of last century as he motivated ppl so much that they were ready to lay their life for him. Nandan nilkeni is really a good manager as he has shown during his stint in Infosys and now doing tremendous job in UID under brand name AADHAR
lm2: what do u want to be: a leader or manager (Mu mummy like smile she had…….so cute)
me: first a good manager then will graduate to be a good leader
lm2: name first festivals of haryana
me: festivals in haryana are mainly based on agricultural cycle. We recently celebrated Phaag, then there is baishakhi which basucally is from punjab but adopted in haryana. then in rohtak there are local melas (I stressed only on those which are exclusive to haryana)
(and yes mr cool in first round also asked one more question: if given a chance what will i sell in rural; mkt. a sachet of shampoo or biscuit. first i did not get what he was trying. should i answer from marketing angle so i asked him to repeat the question then it clicked to me "IT is CSE so hold on the social thread" I gave lot of air on nutrition andn hence will sell biscuit. he nodded approvingly and said yes it is better to have full stomachs)

 

he took the thread from oner my answer
m4: so u have seen real india while in FINO. what r the problems they r facing
me: working in fino and among rural poor was quite a revelation to me. earlier was of the view why rural poor migrate to cities and congest already overwhelmed infrastructure here. Being a civil service student i thought that through books i know quite a lot bout problems they r facing. But going there and living among them was a revelation. There are no industries at all. they have nothing to fall back upon. poverty is so severe that it is unbelievable. I saw an ocean of destitution there and realizesd that kind of civic amenities we are enjoying in cities are not even in their dreams. hence they have no option left but to leave the villages.
m4: u r talking bout industrial development only
me: agriculture is second part of the answer. After talking to local villagers i came to know that they have just one crop per year or at max two. but due to any reason idf crops fail then they have no plan b. it is starvation for them. Starvation is stark reality there. there are no proper irrigation facilities, no post harvest mgt like cold stores, no mkt. faci;lities etc. hence these poor ppl cannot stick to the villages and move to cities.
I looked at the lady member whop was nodding.
m4: what are advantages of corporate farming
me: 1. better management of agri
2. more capital
3. better tech
m4: so shuld we introduce it widely
me: blanket application will lead to loss of employment due to mechanization so strict monitoring is required.
Now it was turn of Mr. cool again

 

cool: u were in MTNL also
me: yes sir from 2003 to 2005
cool: ok, ur post
me: I was junior telecom officer
cool: ur role
me: i was fortunate enough to be part of team which implemented broadband for MTNL in delhi
cool: ok (Now he became informal…….stated narrating his problems with broadband companies) MTNL has been unable to penetrate mkt
me: yes sir. Even i had mtnl broadnband connection six months back but switched over to tata data card
cool: is it good
me: yes sir, it is giving me seamless connectivity and connectivity is uninturuppted as well
cool: ok, what is issue with mtnl
me: main issue with mtnl broadband is the basic infrastructure on which they r relying. MTNL is using ADSL i.e asymmetric digital subscribers line technology. In it they r provinding net on copper cables of telephones. but these copper cables are in very bad shape. they r unable to support required bandwidth. hence mtnl is unable to provide good services.
That was the end of it. lasted for around 30 minutes.

 

my observations bout the interview
1. no exaggerated facial expressions from that side of table except nodding head or listening attentively
2. No current affairs, no why civils, only one salvo on my home state, only 2 from my optional, no hobbies etc.
3. it was more like discussion on my job experiences
4. Last but not least ………I forget to say Good morning!! was so involved in my own thought process while entering room and Mr cool offered me chair on the drop of hat.

See link for the discussion and the following image:

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April 21st, 2011 at 9:04 pm

UPSC Interview experience: Board of Shri Vijay Singh

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This is extract of UPSC IAS interview of a candidate named Devesh in an online forum. It will be useful for anyone looking for more information on Vijay Singh’s board (interview dated 25 March 2011)

I Was last to be interviewed (out of six) in forenoon session on 25th march in the Vijay singhs’ Board
5 persons were there 2 women in the board
they were discharging every person in 25 minutes on average
before I was called upon for the interview it was around 40 minutes ago the last person was called. I was little anxious that what is going on why they are taking so much time with that fellow. the person called me that it is my number. He asked me to drink water. scaring me. I was asked to wait outside the room there I show some empty plates were going out of their room
so they had their food and thats’ why it took them 40-45 minutes to call me. I had a shy of relief that they will not eat my head.. food matters
the person who called me for interview from waiting room opened the door still I knocked the door and asked
May I come in sir?
yes come in.
I entered with good smile wished all first the two women and then chairman
Chairman asked me to be sited
but it was not so easy
before I could grab my seat
question started
Q:Ohh great! what is your height Mr. Devesh?
A:Sir, It is 6 feet 3 inches
You could have been a good pace bowler
Sir, I could Have but I have not tried
chairman again said ohh Please sit
I did.. since I was standing near the chair.. wished them again.. now started the rain of questions.
Q:So, you have completed your M Tech in 2008 what are you doing now?
A: Sir, Now I am doing Ph D in the Rubber Technology Center Of IIT kharagpur.
Q:For fun time pass or…?
A: No Sir, I am doing Ph D because it give good knowledge and experience and if the terms and conditions of civil service permits I Would be completing it in future. (here the chairman looked happy )
Q:So, Rubber technology. Do you know about Rubberised roads?
A: Yes sir I know about Rubberised roads.

 

Q:what is different with normal road?
A:Sir Rubberised roads are constructed by mixing scrap waste rubber with asphalt and using the same in road construction. These roads are more durable and give good traction and prevent skidding. These roads are more useful in the area where rainfall is more like in kerala, west bengal.
Q:we are doing this in Kerala and I am from that state.
A: Right sir, It is very good initiative.
Q: Does India have that potential of rubberising roads?
A: Yes sir we have the potential since we are the second largest consumer of rubber and a lot of waste is being generated every year, if we can utilize this waste rubber it is very good. (here the other person look sitting near to chairman looked happy and said that he is from kerala cadre)
Q:what is the status of roads and other infrastructure in Rajasthan?
A; Sir the length of roads is less then what is needed but the condition is good and reason is there that once a road is constructed it remain there because of lack of rain. More Infrastructure is needed for better connectivity.
Q: Who could be the good administrator. A academician or a sports person?
A: Madam,I think It could be either an acedmician or sports person because to be a good adminitrator depends on the aptitude of a person or how a person thinks.
Q: so you will not go with one
A: madam I cann’t go with.
(The Chairman came in my side and said right it depends on the aptitude of a person.)
Q:I see you have completed your schooling from Jhunjhunun District rural area
A: Right Sir.
Q:what problem did you find there in water resource?
A: Sir water is really scare there. People face problem of water for drinking, Irrigation and industrialization. it could be seen by the fact that due to drought the state GDP growth is lowest in all state with just 3.4 per cent.

 

Q:how will you solve that?
A:Sir, I shall try to alive bawadi, Johad, talab in the area which served the purpose in past, along with that I shall try to recharge the ground water by making check dams and with the latest development in technology in agriculture like drought resistance crop.
Q:What is Important for a farmer.. 1 credit 2 seeds 3 water
A: madam, It is credit. (She didn’t ask why)
Q: what GOI have done for credit
A: madam. GOI have increase the amount of credit to be distributed in farmers from 3lakh 75 thousand crore to 4 lakh 75 thousands crore this fiscal.
Q:What is your view about the bureaucracy is it honest or dishonest?
A: (I took little time here. it was i tricky question) madam, I met some officials for my work and nowhere i encountered an demand for bribe. So I cann’t say that they are dishonest
Q:What is general perception in your village?
A: Sir, the general perception is that many officers are dishonest. but sir one may or may not be dishonest but still the perception could be that the officer is dishonest because the officers are not easily approachable if an aam adami want to meet a DM of his district it is not easy and in the process to get he thing done he could be asked for bribe by babus and other people and the perception becomes that the officer is dishonest. So, Officer must have direct contact with public.
Q: do you think a office at the helm can make great changes in the working of system?
A: yes sir I think that an officer at the helm can certainly make great changes in his area of influence.

 

Q:If you become DM of J&K what will be your three piorities.. one two and three
A; madam first I shall try to control insurgency with the help of local government and community. second I shall also try to boost the tourism in the district with better development of infrastructure. and finally I shall try to develop the economic status of community by development of self help group and shall try to improve the education and health of the community.
Q:what is the differences in govt policies in different part of rajasthan?
A: sorry Sir I don’t Know.
Q:what is the status of their implementation like of MNREGA?
A: Sorry sir I have not gone through the reports.
Q tell something about rajasthan geographically.
A; sir, On the west side of aravali lies the desert and east side semi desert. the state falls in subtropical on latitudinally but climatically it is tropical. the state is drought prone.
Q : why now a days people don’t choose chemistry
A: (I thought She is asking that why people do not choose chemistry as an optional in Civils so I answered) madam the study of chemistry is tough and the way the answers UPSC wants are of different kind then other exams.
Q: (now she explained) no I am not talking about chemistry for UPSC I mean to say why not at graduation level.
A: sorry madam I don’t know even I can see many people are opting for chemistry My graduation college which was only for science stream is still full of students and lot of competition for the seats.
She smiled. may it was sarcastic one 🙂
Q: Do you know about new science universities opened recently by GOI?
A: Sorry Madam, I don’t know.
Q: Do you know any science institutes in India?
A: Yes madam Indian Institute of Science I know.
Q: where it is?
A: it is in Bengluru madam.
(I really answered what was real the above 4-5 questions and answers were not good enough but since I was not aware what else I could have answered. These answers may let me loose some points. may be.)

 

Q:have you gone through SC order on Euthenesia?
A: yes sir I have
Q: what is your view on it?
A; Sir, I agree with the judgement of hon’ble supreme court, but sir I think along with passive supreme court must also consider the cases on case to case basis since the economic and social problem used to be same in all cases.
Q: what is your view about allowing foreign universities to establish their institutions in India?
A: sir There is no harm to allow good foreing Institutions to come and establish their Institutions in India if they deliver good education it will benefit us. Thing is that they must not become just a money making machine.
Q: what is the relation between efficiency, inefficiency and honesty and dishonesty, and Who is more an efficient an efficient but dishonest or a inefficient but honest?
A Sir there is no relation between efficiency, in efficiency and honest and dishonesty. A person who is efficient but honest will be more efficient than a person who is efficient but dishonest.
ok Mr Devesh (the chairman asked other members if they ant to ask anything more but the said no it is ok and over)
I wished them Thanks
And I came out of the room with confident steps
The Interview I wrote is exactly what it was as far as I know.
Looking for your assessment.

 

Devesh says “My Interview lasted for around 30-35 minutes … since I think I was last so they took little extra time….. Ya Vijay Singh is a good personality tall and handsome person…. let see now how tall he is in marks giving :)…
you are right I could have given better ans on state questions like MNREGA but believe I knew nothing about this .. and these questions were not asked by chairman.. all the state related questions were asked by a person sitting right of Chairman.”

Follow this link to read it on the online forum where he has narrated it. See image below:

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April 21st, 2011 at 7:26 pm

Funny poem on UPSC member Dr. K. K. Paul by a UPSC aspirant

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A UPSC aspirant who identifies himself as Ek aur Cheelu on Orkut has written a Hindi poem on UPSC board member Dr. K. K. Paul. The poem describes the interview experience of the board and begrudges certain aspects of Mr. Paul’s personality. It’s a nice read. See link and image below for the original post where you can also read his interview experience.

late Edit: Cheelu is Vaibhav Rikhari, A BITS Pilani computer graduate. You can visit one of his blogs to read his interview experience.

AARTI..

जय जय पॉल जय जय पॉल ..
BLANK EXPRESSIONS मारते ..
न करते LOL
जय जय पॉल ..जय जय पॉल |

पॉल जब सामने आते हैं ..
बच्चे घबरा जाते हैं ..
करते फिर वो ना नुकुर ..
जैसे गली में भूला कुकुर |

पॉल पूछते अनाप शनाप ..
बच्चे बोलते सॉरी सरजी ..
I DON’T KNOW की करते PRACTICE ..
पॉल बोलते जाओ घरजी |

पॉल अंकल से विनती अपनी ..
गुंडे नहीं हम बच्चे हैं …
UPSC के लिए पढ़ते हैं सब ..
देखो कितने अच्छे हैं !

कुछ तो अच्छा चेहरा बनाओ …
थोडा सा तो अब मुस्कुराओ ..
और ये नहीं हो सकता है तो ..
बोर्ड में अच्छी गैंग बनाओ |

FACT FACT की गंगा में ..
बोलो हम अब कहाँ बहें ?
PRE MAINS तक ठीक था ..
INTERVIEW में भी सहें !

सब बच्चों की विनती ये है ..
सबको अच्छे नंबर देना ..
नाव मझधार में लटकी है ..
पतवार चलाकर उसको खेना |

चीलू पॉल चालीसा लिखेगा ..
दारु की दूकान पर नहीं दिखेगा ..
जो फिर भी खुश ना हो आप ..
तो चीलू आपका व्रत रखेगा |

बोलो जय जय पॉल बाबा …जय जय पॉल बाबा |

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April 13th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

UPSC interviews 2011– Dr. K.K. Paul Board

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If you are going to face the UPSC CS interviews or other interviews at the UPSC and want to know more about the K.K. Paul Board then this post will be useful for you.

Here are some excerpts from an online discussion on the situation in K.K. Paul’s board in the UPSC CSE personality test 2010 happening in March-April 2011. See link below.

his board asked me 20-25 question frequently…..just in 15 minuts……

if paul smiles he will definetly give you above 180+….it had happened to me before…all the best

1 MEMBR ASKED ME COMMENT ON CASTE……BCOZ I HV INTEREST ON SOCIAL ISSUE…TN I REPLIED….AT PRESENT SENRIO CASTE IS MISUTILIZED BY RESERVATION SYSTEM….ND POLITICS….WE NEED A SYSTEM TO BENIFIT ALL…..
THEN SAME MEMBER ASKED ME ANOTHER QUESTION WHAT IS UR VIEW ON CATE SENSUN TN I ANSWERD I M NT IN FAVOUR OF CASTE BASED SENSUS BCOZ WE KNE ST SC ND OBC POPULATION…WE CN PLANNING ON THAT BASIS …WE CNT DO ANYTHINGTO KNW SPECIAL CASTE POPULATION……IT IS ONLY CONTOVERSIAL QUESTION ASKED ME FM BOARD…..WHATS IS UR VIEW GUYS..

 

being a medico..thr was lot of discussion on shortage of docs in rural areas..what shud b done?? what kind of incentives to b given….
thr was also questions regarding d economy of my home state punjab
as socio n psycho optional r thr so he asked me y crime against women is more in north india than in south india…
role of culture in health
history of my college n questions on ludhiana..
many more n finaly thr was a tricky question in d end..
on every question thy use to discuss n cross question so it took time…

 

paul sir asked u r posted in a rural area n u hav to cross a river wid boat..
thr is a oderly or a servant wid you who has served you 4 15-20 yrs n your boss also,the boat sinks in d middel n onli u knw swiming whom will u save..u can save just one person..your boss can give you rewards n medals…whom will u save n y?

 

worst interview… could not answer a single question of two members…. all irrelevant question from 1980 prison reforms in uk………..

i was in same board.all ques are factual……………like area of libya,pop of libya n density of libya.compare d density of libya vd ur home states density.he told me a case of 50 yrs back n ask d guidelines given by supreme court in his verdict which i heard first time in my life.many times he told dt u don’t know anythng.u r jst guessing.anyway it was vry bad experience………………………now m completely out of race n preparing 4 csat.

 

my answer was dat il try to save both bt he said no just 1 dn i said il save my servant who has served me since 20yrs as il hav a soft corner for him n will b more closer to him dan my boss wid whom i hav just formal relations…
sir provoked me a lot to save my boss whol give me medals n promotion bt i sticked to my answer..
paul sir said in any case u mite have thought d boss will die since hez old..all laughed at dz including himself n then he said thank you….

 

yaar paul sir ne dara rakha hai
personally i am very skeptical sbout him
as he did not changed his facial expressoin through out interview
am keeping fingers crossed till result

 

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Here are some images from the discussion (just in case linked posts are missing). You can click on these to enlarge.

 

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Interview Board of Nirbhay Sharma in UPSC Interviews 2011

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If you want to know the experiences of people who have taken UPSC Civil Services Interviews 2011 in the board of Lt. Gen. (retd.) Nirbhay Sharma, then you can follow this link on an online forum.

Here are some excerpts from that discussion:

nirbhay sharma board..

hey guys i had nirbhay sharmas board.. very short intrvw.. lasted fr just 18-20 mins… i could not give very good answers.. did he ask anyone abt internal prob of pakistan….

 

I had N.Sharma Board also, it was kind of stressful as well as speedy interview.. lasted for 25-28 minutes. Waise Ajay Bhai aapke comments padh kar kaafi tension hoa gayi hai.. I am just hoping that everything will turn out +ve for all of us…
Cheers

 

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April 13th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

UPSC Civil Services Examination Interviews – 2011, Board of Sh IMG Khan

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If you are a UPSC aspirant and have got an interview call and want to know about the board of IMG Khan, UPSC member then you have come to the right place.

In an online forum students are discussing about Mr Khan and you can follow it—how Shri IMG Khan asks questions, how he gives marks, what kind of impression this board has gathered over the years in the eyes of the candidates etc.

Here are some examples of real experience of people and what they have to say:

4th april. 2nd session. I. M.G. KHAN board. u r teacher.why u want to join ias? impotance of distance learning? wht % shud req. 4 graduation in honours?R.T.E. ? gov. efforts 4 primery 2 higher edu.?ur fav. personality in history> use of hist? ram chandra guha> romila thapar? which painting style u like most? which tipe of painting u make? draw a human face at this time?why naxal r against schooling system? about world cup? partition of jharkhand nd reason of undevlopment of jharkhand? right to recall. is it good? R.T.I.? J.P. movement? 1 thing which lacks in jharkhand? 1 thing which can trasform india? reason 4 naxal? wht is solution? should we use army 4 this? right to service is it good? [Post by Pramod]

 

by a person who identifies himself as ‘thunder bolt’

f****** khan (and his panel) asked me around 8 questions
all situational questions – very tough and controversial
C-chairman M-members
C- what qualities should an IPS officer have?
Me: Sir physical and emotional strength, decision making abilities, analytical skills etc..
C- but apart from physical strength all these qualities are required in any other service also. what special qualities for IPS?
Me:sir should be quick, analyse situation from all angles. not jump to quick conclusions etc
C(not satisfied) – ok tell me what "qualities" an IPS officer should not have?
Me: sir should not trust people quickly, should not be swayed easily by words ( could not think of anything else)
C (not satisfied) : dont u think he should be non corrupt?
before i could say its not a quality he passed on to M1
M1: since u have filled ips as ur first option
C: no his first option is IAS only
M1: ok but tell me suppose groundwater is polluted somewhere and water is drawn from a nearby river and stored in an overhead tank from where it is supplied to all the houses through pipes. now terrorist attacks are taking place on these pipes- what would u do?
Me: sir we could use a pump and then water could be supplied through underground pipe
M1: suppose that option is not available
Me: after sometime- sir i dont know
M1: no think for a while
Me: sir it would not be feasible for police to protect each and every pipe (i was beating around the bush) and i cannot think of anything else. passes on to M2
M2: suppose u r DC and due to maoists terror people have stopped coming to offices and administration is in paralysis. what would u do?
Me: sir i would organize talk with maoists about stopping violence and would try to convince employees that not coming to offices is no solution.
M2: still they are not coming?
Me: as usual i dont know

M2: suppose ur SP and senior officers are engaing in corrupt acts. what would u do?
Me: sir i would confront them and make them aware about consequences of their deeds and ask to stop. and still if they do not stop i would go to higher authorities.
M2( not satisfied) passes to M3 (lady)
M3: suppose ground water is polluted in an area. and no nearby river is available. what would u do ?
Me: this was easy but i screwed up. mam i dont know
M3: u have heard of rainwater harvesting?
me: (smiling lika an idiot) yes mam we can do that.
M4: comparative analysis of waterways, railways, roadways as means of transport?
me: i did something not satisfied
M4: ok which is more polluting road or rail?
Me: sir i think rail
M4: no its road
M4: which require more land road or rail
Me: sir it depends on a lot of factors…
M4: but generally
Me: sir i think rail
M4: no its road
FUCK
chairman: suppose we are designing an expressway from delhi to chandigarh to reduce travel time. what are the basic considerations?
Me: sir land acquisition, traffic load etc
C: no what is most basic?
Me: again repeating above things worded differently
C: at present if we go some bullock carts come in way etc
Me: yes sir we will limit residential access to the roads
C: but how can u cutoff people
Me : sir we can design a flyover..
C:yes yes . fucker he wanted to hear the word flyover.
C: what are other design considerations?
Me: i told some
C: ok go and ponder over this. ur interview is over.
expecting no more than 120. i m FUCKED

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April 13th, 2011 at 4:37 pm